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- Thread: Earthing for No Hum
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- From: Mike A. Anderson (Wichita, KS)
- Subject: Thanks Rick!
-
- ...We've had plenty of RFI challenges in our church.
Each time it traces to
- a different culprit. I'm living with a system (worship
center) that's been
- renovated and added-on to many times prior to my supervision.
Of note
- lately, I added an EquiTech balanced power AC system
(100 amp wall cabinet)
- to support all our TV and audio front-end equip. including
cameras. Along
- with it a new technical ground scenario consistant with
EquiTech's
- recommendaitons. TV's not up and running yet, but all
of the PA power
- nusances are gone. Praise the Lord!
-
- Thanks again Rick,
- Mike Anderson
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- From: Andrew Smithies (Wellington, New Zealand)
- Subject: Re: Earthing for no HUM
-
- From: Mike A. Anderson
- <"I added an EquiTech balanced power AC system
(100 amp wall cabinet)
- to support all our TV and audio front-end equip. including
cameras.
- Along with it a new technical ground scenario consistant
with
- EquiTech's recommendaitons. TV's not up and running yet,
but all
- of the PA power nusances are gone. Praise the Lord!">
-
- This is the way to go for earth current (hum loop) control.
You don't need
- balanced power to achieve these results though. What
is important is that
- all the mains power loads draw current equally off the
phase and neutral power
- wires and that there are no mains sourced currents feeding
into your earth
- system and that all lighting etc power feeds are separate
from the PA system.
-
- In TV studios 1V 75 ohm video which is an unbalanced
signal is routed all
- over the place. (Imagine doing unbalanced audio!) The
only solution to
- keeping mains hum out of the video is to tie all signal
earths to a
- 'technical' earth and all safety earths to the mains
earth connection. The
- two earth systems are joined at just ONE point.
-
- ALL EQUIPMENT is specified to be either double insulated
or have
- appropriate safety earth connections that are isolated
from the signal
- earth. The objective is to have an electrically clean
earth that has NO
- power or noise current in it. As there is no current
there will be no
- voltage, -even if there are some less than idea technical
earth
- connections.
-
- Most power supply authorities will not permit you to
have more than one
- earth system in a single room. TV studios here had to
get a special
- dispensation to do this.
-
- For us audio engineers we power all the equipment off
a single power outlet
- and kill (metaphorically!) anyone who puts non-audio
gear on our power
- feeds so that we can limit the earth currents within
the PA system. This
- also means any patchpanels, junction boxes, DIs etc must
not connect with
- the building ground. ie The lighting power box case must
not touch the amp
- rack!
-
- As there invariably will be something causing earth currents,
we have to
- deal with that in some other manner. Here are 2 big winners:-
-
- -Bond all earths together in a star system with lots
of copper to reduce
- the impedance. V=IR and so if R=0 then V=0. R will not
be 0 so V will still
- be greater than 0. Take note of where the mains earth
is in all this. It
- matters.
-
- -Use balanced circuits. The balanced mic inputs on your
desk looks at the
- voltage between pins 2 and 3 for the audio. If their
is mains hum that is
- equal on both pins then the audio recovered will be unaffected.
With
- actively balanced inputs this is limited to voltages
less than +-15V (The
- 15V limit depends on the desk) I saw somewhere here discussion
on resistors
- in 1/4 jack to XLR cables. This improves the impedance
ballance and is very
- worth while when there is lots of earth currents or volts
about.
-
-
- Please note that I have not made any comments about RFI.
Radio signals have
- to be treated differently as the cable behave as transmission
lines. That
- is, The current and voltage is not constant along the
wire.
-
- The above is how to deal with HUM.
-
-
- Andrew Smithies
- Wellington
- New Zealand
- Work: Design Tech: Broadcast Communications Ltd
- Church: Assemblies of God.
-
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- From: Mike A. Anderson (Wichita, KS)
- Subject: Re: Earthing for no HUM
-
- Andrew,
-
- You provide sage advice, not to mention correct, regarding
grounding / earthing
- practices. In most applications or situations what you
describe will very nicely
- suffice for hum elimination. However, we must all keep
in mind that exceptions
- can and do get presented which defies what is nearly
always a successful result.
-
- I knew the grounding scenerio in our building was abismal
before I even
- began to "buzz hunt". What I found was worse
than abismal. The
- building(s) have been renovated and added-on to several
times over nearly
- 100 years. The current worship center was completed is
1962, and fairly
- thoroughly face-lifted in 1978 (about 2 years before
I took up the cross of
- lay-tech dir.) About 4 years ago we completed construction
on a 50k sq.
- ft. Christian Life Center which includes a commercial
kitchen, large
- swimming pool (read that BIG pumps and high CFM ventilation
equip), bowling
- lanes, etc. All this "fun stuff" ended up putting
so much garbage on the
- AC it seemed I would never get away from it.
-
- I started at ground (pun intended) zero. Since we were
gearing up for TV,
- I used that as a good argument for basically re-wiring
the entire PA. Some
- of what I found induced night-sweats and siezures - get
the idea?! Hum
- problem got a lot better. Then I installed the tech ground
scenerio and
- balanced buss loads at the panel. Hum problem got a little
better. Then
- we started a major expansion of our theatrical lighting
facilities for both
- TV and Christmas/Easter productions. I knew this would
happen, hum got a
- lot worse. We basically do not have the option of getting
more/different
- AC into the room due to where the complex service entrance
is located and
- the maze of archetectural barriers between here and there.
Trust me, we
- checked this out thoroughly.
-
- I first considered simply feeding a common isolation
transformer with a
- branch circuit and installing a load center for PA and
TV down stream of
- that. Talked to a lot of seasoned professionals, sometimes
that does it,
- sometimes it doesn't. Next stop........EquiTech. I first
talked to them
- and then several balanced power users, including some
big-time studios
- doing a lot of digital stuff. I was encouraged by EVERY
experienced
- balanced-power user that I couldn't go wrong. To bring
this tome to a
- conclusion, the EquiTech system went in, and the hum
went packing...it's
- flat gone. The panel cost us a little over $5000 plus
shipping. The
- audible improvement is much greater than anything else
I've done since I've
- been involved. What else can I say?
-
- I plan to incorporate the panel we now own, along with
another one, into
- the new worship center (3000 to 3500 seats, 2 or 3 years
away from start).
- One for FOH and TV, and the other for platform electronics
incl. all
- keyboards, drums, instrument amplifiers, etc. Both panels
and the load
- center feeding the amp rack(s) will share a common tech
ground scenario.
- Maybe in a totally new worship center where everything
is done to one
- standard, correctly, this would be overkill. But I know
it will work; the
- rest of the nightmareish complex WILL be isolated from
the PA and TV.
-
- Thanks for your interesting read.
-
- Mike Anderson
- Immanuel Baptist Church
- Wichita, Kansas
-
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-
- From: Janet Smith (Byron, GA)
- Subject: Re: earthing
-
- I have a question when he is talking about earthing is
he talking about
- grounding ? I get confused when he talks about "tie
all signal earths to a
- 'technical' earth and all safety earths to the main earth
connection" ?
- Until then I understand if he is talking about grounding.
-
- Janet
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-
- From: Mike A. Anderson (Wichita, KS)
- Subject: Re: earthing
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- Janet,
-
- Yes, earthing is grounding, but specifically a direct
path to a good
- quality copper-clad rod (8 to 10 feet long) driven into
compacted or
- undisterbed soil. It is recommended, and I did, go the
extra mile and
- drive TWO rods at least 6 feet apart and connect to both
in series. Then,
- VERY important, go directly to the buildings earth ground
and terminate the
- run there. This insures that your technical equipment
also retains
- adequate safety ground. If the buildings earth ground
is not practically
- accessible, it is acceptable to attach to the buildings
structural steel
- per NEC (National Electrical Code) methods. I had to
go the structural
- steel route as I'm not sure enough copper has been mined
to get me to the
- buildings earth point.
-
- There's much more to all this, if you have more questions
ask!
-
- Mike Anderson
-
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