Thread: Outdoor Sound

Summary: In considering his sound system needs for an upcoming outdoor event, one of the members of the ChurchSoundcheck Discussion Group realized that he was about to encounter serious problems with reflections. Here's some of the advice forwarded to him from the group.

From: Rich Marcolini (Ann Arbor, MI)
Subject: OUTDOOR SOUND

Hi,

I could really use your help!

This Friday I will be doing the sound for an outdoor Good Friday Rally on
the "Diag" at the University of Michigan. The stage is the steps of a large
brick building (The Graduate Library). The "Diag" is a square piece of open
land (with some trees) that is surrounded by University Buildings. Directly
across from the steps is a sort-of "Mall" like in Washington DC.

In years past, we have had lots of problems with echo from the other
buildings and of a lot of bass reflecting off of the Library back towards
the audience (sounding really bad).

Here is a link to the picture of the area:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~phinneas/ccamp5.gif

The two black dots on either side of the stairs is where I want to put the
stacks with their axis pointed to what I have labeled as "FOCUS?"

Would having only one speaker cluster help reduce the problems?

Any and all suggestions that you have are appreciated!

In Him,
Rich

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From: Blake A. Engel (Chicago, IL)
Subject: Re: OUTDOOR SOUND

Rich,

Great pic! In regards to 'would one speaker be better'--YES. In ANY
situation, a single point source speaker is better than two, unless the
two speakers are reproducing different signals...otherwise there will be
interference between the two.

Would I assume right in saying the speakers are in front of the
stage/stairs?

Blake

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From: Steve Harper (Norfolk, VA)
Subject: Re: OUTDOOR SOUND

Rich-

I believe the key is keeping the direct sound off of the walls. Are your
stacks high enough where you could get some down angle on the cabinets? Are
you flying a rig where you can adjust the pitch of the box? Could you keep
the front loudspeaker volumes down and use a low-level delay stack to reach
the back of the audience?

Just some thoughts. Hope all goes well. If any of you see some error in my
suggestions please speak up, we are all about solutions.

Steve

 

Rich wrote -

>Hi,
>
>I could really use your help!
>
>This Friday I will be doing the sound for an outdoor Good Friday Rally on
>the "Diag" at the University of Michigan. The stage is the steps of a
large
>brick building (The Graduate Library). The "Diag" is a square piece of
open
>land (with some trees) that is surrounded by University Buildings.
Directly
>across from the steps is a sort-of "Mall" like in Washington DC.
>
>In years past, we have had lots of problems with echo from the other
>buildings and of a lot of bass reflecting off of the Library back towards
>the audience (sounding really bad).......

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From: Jens W. Skov (Denmark)
Subject: Re: OUTDOOR SOUND

Steve Harper wrote:
<"Are your stacks high enough where you could get some down angle
on the cabinets?">

I can ony agree!

Fly a rig in a way that you can angle the speakers down at the audience.
Personally I would use who stacks at the stage and move "focus" a bit
closer to the stage. Then place single source delay-stack behind your
mix-point. Remember: It's not just an extra speaker. You must use a
delay.

Jens W. Skov
St.Sc.E.E.
Technical University of Denmark
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"Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift."
2 Corinthians 9:15

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From: Rich Marcolini (Ann Arbor, MI)
Subject: OUTDOOR SOUND - more ?'s and comments

I'm glad that you liked my picture :)

Unfortunately I CAN NOT fly the speakers, but I may be able to get a little
downward angle on them.

I can either put the stacks on the same level as the band, on slightly
taller "pillars" at the sides, in front, or on some specially made stands.

A stack with Bass on bottom and mids/highs on top stands about 6 feet high.
"Stage" height is 3 feet above pavement. Pillars 5-6 feet, and stands 6
feet high above where ever I put them. If I use the stands I would just
elevate the mids/highs and leave the bass on the ground.

I am thinking that for this crowd size I might use the stands and angle the
mids/highs downward or just use the stack them and try to get a slight
downward angle on them. The speakers have pretty good coverage (not too
wide, not too narrow) and plenty of power.

I am subscribed to the DIGEST version, so if you find that it is Thursday
before you get to reply, please send me email directly: phinneas@umich.edu

Thanks so much everyone!

In Him,
Rich

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From: Rich Marcolini (Ann Arbor, MI)
Subject: Good Friday Diag Rally

Well Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Lord is good! Hey blessed our Good Friday Rally here on the
campus of the University of Michigan. It was 60 and sunny, I had to really
trust that His had be over it all. We weren't supposed to be able to have
any soundchecks, but he brought someone to turn the power on 10 minutes
early! It was just enough time to eliminate feedback from the mics, get a
really basic monitor mix, and fix some problems we were having! The band
sounded great and the guest speaker clear. It was an incredible blessing!
If you have anymore questions, please ask! I just wanted to let you all
know about how it went and thank you for your input on the OUTDOOR SOUND
thread. I ended up using two stacks focused towards the opening between the
buildings....very low echo:)

In Him,
Rich

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